He. Tried. To. Kill. You.
The “Law and Order” party is now cool with all laws being subject to a popularity contest.
They were never the law and order party. They were and are the put minorities and poor in prison party.
Remember it’s all about hurting the right people.
So, the rules matter when they lose to popular vote but win in the Electoral College, but don’t matter when they are arrested?
Now you’re getting it!
Just saying the quiet part out loud…
What is next on their agenda? Making lynching legal, as it is a decision by the people, for the people, or what?
It’s not that he actually believes this, it’s that the party’s base has determined that you can’t oppose Trump, so they need to find a reason why people should vote for them instead of Trump while not taking the position that Trump should be in jail.
It’s the usual mental gymnastics. Desantis is doing the exact same thing.
This is the best answer.
An assault on Trump is an assault on the idiots who made it their identity to support him.
They can’t let him be insulted.
The only winning move is to just offer a better solution and ignore him.
The only winning move is to just offer a better solution and ignore him.
You’d think a better solution would be easy to find, but they spent so long indoctrinating their own followers to be loyal to names rather than concepts that they now fear these followers may attach to the Trump name.
It’s sad how quickly they forget the buttery males. Ol’ “lock her up” Hillary “basket of deplorables” Clinton was so deserving of jail time because of those emails, but insurrection and election fraud? Nah. Those are locker room felonies.
The GOP is a joke and the rubes that choose to plug their ears and ignore the obvious are clowns 🤡🇺🇸
It’s probably going to be a new Trump party if he’s not nominated so for Republicans they need him. It’s the same with right wing media. Trump has such broad support that there’s no way anyone on the right can effectively oppose him at this point.
There is nothing more cowardly than a Republican.
Funny how convicted felons can have their voting rights taken away, but letting a person who tried to sabotage the voting system to win unfairly run for president again? Suuure!
Not only that, but it’s a direct parallel to how the rich have so much more rights than the poor - and the worst part is this guy’s fans ARE dirt poor, some may even be felons, who have no right to vote, some of which probably tried to vote illegally because “owning the libs is what matters”… because again, decentralisation, proper vote count, democratic and parliamentary process, this is all bullshit anyways, so let’s just game the system!
Like you have to be a special kind of stupid - and I don’t mean that in an ableist kind of way, but in a way that this needs to be studied by scientists, because of how absurdly brain-dead it really is.
Like here’s a hint: if you set a political precedent where your guy can do it, what’s to prevent the other guy from doing it? Does MAGA stand for “make America gullible again”?
I agree with the sentiment that his actions should preclude him from running, but felon disenfranchisement is something that isn’t talked about nearly enough and I think it’s absolutely insane so many people lose their RIGHT to vote.
The worst part about all this is many who stormed the capital had nice businesses, trucks and income. I agree with the need to study this brain-dead disease though. Either our population is more absurdly stupid than is measurable or they all ate lead paint chips as a child.
Jesus, what an absurd, chickenshit take.
He’s so damn scared of taking a hard stance on trump. Pathetic, sniveling coward
The people did decide already, when it got included in the constitution.
Not a Trump supporter but “people” as in normal people like us didn’t really decide the constitution. A few people in a hot room who didn’t want to be there did.
Pence is being blamed for Trump not being successful in his coup, and his numbers show it. What else does Pence have? Roe V Wade? Voters are furious about that, too. Republicans are trying to save their asses on this overreach, too. Pence is on the wrong side of everything. Maybe it’s a sign.
I’d view that as Pence was on the right side of the coup? Maybe I’m reading that wrong.
He validated the votes and made sure the office was turned over to the person who won the election. He has shit views on most things, but he did the right thing on that day it seems.
The equation in my mind is, is this guy just trying to show that he’s a Republican team player, or does he actually think that some of Trump’s cult might vote for him if Trump isn’t on the ballot? Or maybe he’s holding on to a hope that if his former boss can stay out of jail long enough to get the nomination, that he might get his old job back?
All bad choices.
So, the first thing to remember about a conservative is that their beliefs aren’t based on anything more than what they want. Conservatives build their ideology around their identity, not the other way around. It’s certainly not based on rational thought or reality. A conservative decides what is good for them personally, and then looks for ideas and causes that support themselves.
To answer your question, Pence wants to remain relevant. Trump, like it or not, has a devoted following of die-hard supporters. Pence wants to be in the race long enough to have a crack at being the second choice should Trump’s legal woes keep him off the ballot. What Pence says and what Pence believes are entirely unrelated.
Fwiw many people applaud Pence for not caving to the pressure from Trump to try to subvert the electoral process. I don’t. Pence had neither the authority nor the will to make Trump the winner of the election. Pence did what was best for Pence, and had he attempted to interfere, he would have been equally unsuccessful and would now be considered a coconspirator. I doubt he imagined Trump would still have a loyal following, but that’s just because I think Pence is also kind of stupid.
Politics is about perception. Trump voters perceive Pence as the guy who failed them. He wants people to perceive him as the responsible adult during the Trump administration, doing his duty as a Republican and as VP. He also wants donors to perceive him as an influential leader, so they keep giving him money. Of course none of those things are true, so for an outside observer trying to parse the logic of his situation, it’s a bit of a play within a play within a bowl of vomit.
He must be so jealous of Dick Cheney, what with him getting credit for being so influential in the administration he was a part of.
Didnt the American People give themselves a constitution and laws already for this reason?
14th amendment, section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/
Only the second amendment of the US Constitution counts. Didn’t you know that? Duh.
That not true! Racists also value something that resembles the first amendment, because they think it grants them a platform to be vile.
Ah, so he’s essentially been disqualified at this point. I suppose a conviction will make that certain.
Unfortunately, innocence until guilt is proven means that merely accusing him of something, no matter how dire or how well backed is not sufficient, he remains innocent by default and thus not disqualified. The courts need to get moving.
Unfortunately, yes. As much as I would hate it he should still be innocent and able to run until he’s convicted. Hopefully at least one of his many cases ends that way…
Pandering much?
Aren’t elected officials supposed to represent the people? Why don’t they just do their jobs?
Not related to the headline/article, I’d just like to comment on funniness the picture, from left to right: confused disbelief, dismissive disbelief, indignant disbelief. Much furrowing of brows, such concern.
While Trump is obviously a POS and I’d love for him to be banned from running, not allowing anyone to run for office from prison would set a really dangerous precedent.
The 14th amendment disqualifies him. Prison is irrelevant, but the constitution is just as irrelevant when it is just selectively ignored for convenience.
Its untested and a legal gray area whether or not the 14th forbids running for president.
It would be because of prison; it would be because of leading an insurrection. These aren’t even close to the same.
I mean, if it was a convicted-for-shoplifting situation, and the person had completed the sentence, that would be one thing. But this? Even seeing it from halfway across the world, what happened was shocking.
